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Yikes! Summer book reading



Teaching with Love and Logic

àLet’s come up with your punishment together (Teacher and Student)

This idea makes me so uncomfortable. I feel that perhaps a master teacher would be able to do this, but I am not ready to give that baton of control to my students. I don’t think it would be effective because I am sooooo uncomfortable with this idea. I think that if a teacher is comfortable and confident with a technique/idea/whatever then 90% of the time it’ll work otherwise it just won’t.

What are your thoughts?

I think your phrasing of it is a lot different than the author’s intent.

Obviously, it would depend on the age, situation, and the kind.

As I said before, I think putting the responsibility on the kid to help make things right is very powerful.  I think consequences where the kid has to think about what they did and come up with a solution (that the teacher agrees is fitting) teaches them a lot more than dealing out a punishment does.    Outside of school walls, they will need to know problem-solving skills and what taking responsibility for your actions means.

I know there are at least two other teachers not participating in book club because they’ve already read the book.  They use this techniques.  I’d love to hear their thoughts on the issue.

I haven’t read the book (couldn’t make it work this time around — my summer schedule is full-day) but I do use this technique with some kids, especially at my program where discipline is sometimes lax or almost random when left to the supervisor.

It doesn’t mean that the student is crafting their own punishment, per se.  It’s, for me, just another way to get them to think about what they did, what the consequences were that were out of their hands, what the further consequences should be, etc.  They think about what’s “right,” and what might rectify a situation.  They also think about the scale of what they’ve done and what might be appropriate as punishment.

When I use this technique with a student I ask them, “What did you do wrong?  Why do you think that was wrong?”  And let’s be honest — many students tune that out and answer with a tone that is the equivalent of an eye roll.  They tell you what you want to hear.  But then, try saying, “Alright — what do you think should happen now?” or “What do you think you could do to make it right?”

It catches most of my students off-guard the first time.  And sometimes the second time.  And it tends to reduce their negative behaviors later, because it makes them really think about why what they did was wrong and what the consequences are going to be.  I try to avoid ever saying “What do you think your punishment should be,” because to my students a punishment is something menial and annoying that they dislike but which has little or no connection to what they did that got them there.

(I hoped that was useful — because I’m not reading the book right now it might be completely irrelevant, but those are my two cents on the technique.)

(via positivelypersistentteach)

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  1. educationomics reblogged this from teamteachers and added:
    A great example of managing a student’s poor decision. I cannot reiterate enough the fact that punishing students only...
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  3. teamteachers reblogged this from thinkbrit
  4. thinkbrit reblogged this from novicephoenix and added:
    Just to add my two cents to this… (not participating in the book club, but read the book and have done PD/the Love &...
  5. thinkbrit answered: My issue with this discussion is the use of the word “punishment.” Punishment = punitive. The word and correct concept is consequence.
  6. jekoh answered: Some techniques may not work on all students, confidence aside. Just remember - you have the last say, even if you let them have input!
  7. allisonunsupervised answered: A formalized variation is the basis of our middle school discipline. Filling out a form quickly becomes rote. Can’t force reflection.
  8. shapefutures reblogged this from positivelypersistentteach and added:
    I haven’t read the book (couldn’t make it work this time around — my summer schedule is full-day) but I do use this...
  9. poeta-soltitari0 answered: não
  10. grayer answered: I don’t agree with it. As the teacher, it’s my job to handle discipline. It’s not an “us” situation.
  11. beautifuldirtyrich2889 answered: It works better than you would think. Students can be a lot tougher on themselves than you would be. Picking deciding rewards is great too.
  12. tomes-away answered: Don’t have many discipline issues anymore; when I do, I decide. Someone has to be the grown up in charge, after all, and that would be me.
  13. novicephoenix posted this